Condemned and Cursed LDS Church?

 Read all D&C 124.

The church cannot go on thinking they received covenant blessings. When a clear headed review of church history clearly says otherwise.

See the example of how the Lord commands a people to build an acceptable temple. And he clearly stated that the fullness of priesthood, or the light which begun among them, a "fullness of His gospel" rejected, was removed from them, after the Kirtland Temple was established and accepted. You can see what great things would actually take place in that finished temple.

They were clearly told that if they don't finish the Nauvoo temple in time, that they would be rejected as a church, including any temple work like baptisms for the Dead, and suffer covenant curses.

28: For there is not a place found on earth that He may come to and restore again that which was lost unto you, or which he hath taken away, even the fulness of the priesthood.

31 But I command you, all ye my saints, to build a house unto me; and I grant unto you a sufficient time to build a house unto me; and during this time your baptisms shall be acceptable unto me.

32 But behold, at the end of this appointment your baptisms for your dead shall not be acceptable unto me; and if you do not these things at the end of the appointment ye shall be rejected as a church, with your dead, saith the Lord your God.

33 For verily I say unto you, that after you have had sufficient time to build a house to me, wherein the ordinance of baptizing for the dead belongeth, and for which the same was instituted from before the foundation of the world, your baptisms for your dead cannot be acceptable unto me;

The good stuff that will come if they finish the temple in time:

41 For I deign to reveal unto my church things which have been kept hid from before the foundation of the world, things that pertain to the dispensation of the fulness of times.

This was the Church's Chance to come out from under condemnation, and have the fullness restored unto them again. Their chance to repent for the mistakes before. Causing them to fail to redeem Zion in other lands.

44 If ye labor with all your might, I will consecrate that spot that it shall be made holy.

45 And if my people will hearken unto my voice, and unto the voice of my servants whom I have appointed to lead my people, behold, verily I say unto you, they shall not be moved out of their place.

46 But if they will not hearken to my voice, nor unto the voice of these men whom I have appointed, they shall not be blest, because they pollute mine holy grounds, and mine holy ordinances, and charters, and my holy words which I give unto them.

47 And it shall come to pass that if you build a house unto my name, and do not do the things that I say, I will not perform the oath which I make unto you, neither fulfil the promises which ye expect at my hands, saith the Lord.

48 For instead of blessings, ye, by your own works, bring cursings, wrath, indignation, and judgments upon your own heads, by your follies, and by all your abominations, which you practice before me, saith the Lord.

The Nauvoo temple was never finished. The only two men who held actual Prophet status and sealing power, chose to go back to Carthage. They knew what would happen. And why was that? Because they learned that the Lord had rejected the people.

All of the Covenant curses the Lord mentions here, took place.

They were moved out of their place, again.

The sealing power was removed from them, and was never really given a chance to be used because the temple wasn't finished.

Their prophet, seer and revelator, left the people. They lost their Moses when they needed him the most.

THESE ARE COVENANT CURSES, NOT BLESSINGS.

Nothing new was revealed to the people since 1844. No more scripture. No hidden things coming to light. And worse, the teachings of men were taught as doctrines and principles of the gospel. Bringham Young was racist. And strongly so. Joseph Smith was an anti-racism presidential candidate, baptizing black people, gave a couple of african decendants the priesthood in his day, baptized some, and was even inviting a black woman to live in The Nauvoo House. Brigham Young was the serial polygamist, taking young brides and other men's wives for himself. Teaching the church that they all needed to live that, to go to the highest celestial kingdom. They made up the lies that Joseph Smith was living it (he was only performing family connections), so they could claim some kind of safe haven under the amendment of religion. They taught suicide or blood atonement, at a later time, and if the members weren't not doing that for themselves then the leaders were putting that in their own hands.

The church leaders know they don't have answers. They know that they don't have keys to ask and receive. They rely on church scholars. The church office building employees.

Yet they claim to hold the same keys as Joseph Smith. Those keys left the Earth in 1844. Yes some priesthood remained, just enough so that an LDS remnant could wake up to their awful situation as a group. The holy priesthood from the days of Joseph Smith, was preserved under lesser Aaronic level keys. And everyone who was a descendant of Abraham, has the right by father and son lineage, to hold those things.

The church has been in the wilderness. The heavens are as brass to them. That doesn't mean that they or lay members don't have occasional promptings of this Holy Ghost. That can happen anywhere.

But when a people labor, to prop up a flowery pilgrim history among themselves, instead of seeing the clear curses that have in fact transpired since then, and continue building unauthorized temples, and trying to pretend they still hold all the keys to do tempo ordinances or redemption for the dead, and sealling families together... They think they have all they need. But it is in vein.

The keys of the priesthood that are to get answers from the Lord. If the church claimed to hold those higher keys since 1844, well this is the whole point of keys. To ask and receive. To get communications in holy places. Revelation. The Lord directing them personally.

The church and their dead were rejected in 1844. Joseph and Hyrum chose to leave the people. Hyrum did not choose one of his righteous sons to take his place as church head patriarch (which was the only way the church would have any kind of sealing authority in acceptable temples) even though they knew what would happen if they went back. That goes father to son. Joseph Smith did not elect a new prophet for the church. They knew the church was rejected. And they chose to leave at that time. And they offered their lives as a sacrifice, so that some of their descendants in the future, would wake up to the truth, and get the fullness back.

That has been happening for many years now. From among the last place for the Lord last set his hand.

The sifting of the wheat from out of the tares. The corn from the chafe. That great division within the church that has so often talked about.

WERE ARE YOU? TRUTH IS MADE CLEAR TO YOU... BUT IT'S ACCEPTANCE IS BASED ON YOUR READINESS, NOT JUST AVAILABILITY. So evaluate inwardly, and YOU figure out why you are not ready to see what other wheat see, here what they here...

The wheat are first spiritually gathering. A new Covenant by God has been given them and named: Covenant Christians.

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The Sprouting Wheat See The Church and World Becoming Darker

 http://www.covenantofchristconference.com/.../index.php...

Quoting Denver Snuffer from the Conference:

"The spirit of God is withdrawing from the world. Men are increasingly more angry without good cause. The hearts of men are waxing cold. There is increasing anger and resentment of gentiles. In political terms, it’s rejection of white privilege. Language of scriptures description of the events now underway calls it the end of the times of the gentiles. This process with the spirit withdrawing, will end on this continent as two prior civilization ended, in fratricidal and genocidal warfare. For the rest of the world, it will be as in the days of Noah in which, as that light becomes eclipsed, the coldness of men’s hearts is going to result in a constant scene of violence and bloodshed. The wicked will destroy the wicked. The covenant, if it is kept, will prevent you from losing light and warmth of heart as the spirit now steadily recedes from the world. The time will come, when you will be astonished at the gulf between the light and truth you will comprehend and the darkness of mind of the world. Be charitable and patient and labor to reach others. They will judge you harshly, but nevertheless be kind to them. They are going to grow to fear you, but that’s only part of how darkness responds to light. Give them no reason to fear you. The time will come for us to gather, but between now and then be leaven. Preserve the world. Be salt. Preserve the world. Even if it hates you."

Why Have Ye (readers of the BoM)... Polluted the Holy Church of God?

 For family and friends who have not taken a proper truthful honest investigation about church history, I recommend you read my website. And take another look at what the Lord is doing with Denver Snuffer.

The Lord said that one mighty strong would come and cleanse the church. That a cleansing would begin first upon His house.

The truth is all that is needed to restore the final Zion at last. I was willing to question everything. And I did in church history. And I began to see clearly that the church is clearly out of order as an organization. Nothing compares to what Joseph Smith or any of our people in the scriptures were doing.

Denver Snuffer wrote a bunch of books, clearly explaining in very logical and easy to understand fashion, exactly what happened in church history. And they are the same things I learned for myself when doing deep serious research prior to reading his books. And those who know me know I'm blessed with time to do such serious research.

Brigham Young was a modern-day King Noah. And if you will actually study Church history long enough, you will clearly see that. God has allowed every covenant people to be led astray in the past. And it's prideful and absurd to think it can't happen in our day.

He indeed taught falsehoods. He indeed was involved with pushing Joseph Smith, with other apostles/city council members, manipulating him to go sign the police order to burn the burning press in the first place. Some of those Apostles who were also starting to live polygamy secretly on their European missions and Joseph was starting to find out! Brigham was out doing that very thing for 3 weeks prior to the assassination of the last 2 people on earth holding a fullness of priesthood.

The church was overtaken. It's been corrupted. Still under condemnation since 1832 and moreso after 1844. The Lord never brought the LDS out of it, ever. An actual prophet, an actual seer bringing old scriptures to the world, who was given the authority and keys to create a new covenant people, and a new temple authorized and accepted by the Lord. But all of that failed. Because the other leaders and members failed to perform as the Lord required. That's why the prophet was allowed to be taken. Him and Hyrum knew what would happen, if they returned to Carthage. Going like "lambs going to the slaughter". Those two alone held the keys to seal. And to establish a valid temple. And to redeem Zion. A people and a place. To last until the second coming. Those two were taken at the same time. They do not ordain a son and their family to continue the ceiling authority they both held. And the church was taken over by a corrupt, power hungry, priest-crafty, excessive wife taking leadership. Church history fulfills all of the prophecies about the people who would read the book in the last days. It was the church that began to become so wicked. With blood on their hands even. The Book of Mormon asks us, the churchgoers of today, The only people who actually read the book, "Why have you polluted the Holy Church of God?" Why do you continue to watch The only Holy church that could be polluted in the last days to still be polluted? Honestly! And if other members are learning the truth, and they're trying to wake you up, how can you think to ignore them on such an important matter?

Joseph Smith was baptizing black people. He gave some of them priesthood. Brigham Young taught if we ever give the priesthood to them, we would be spiritually destroyed and priesthood would be taken from us. His teaching was false. The coming of Christ enabled anyone anywhere, to be redeemed from the fall and be baptized by anyone holding baptismal authority. Yes, there was curses on canaanites/edomites... but that has nothing to do with dark skin color!

Brigham Young taught that polygamy is required for anyone to reach the highest level of the celestial kingdom. That you must have at least three wives. It is false. He and others falsely accused Joseph Smith have originally living it, so that they can claim that they had original religious right to live it. Because it was a part of their religion. They had to make it look like it was always there, to try to convince the government to not take it from them. The government was coming to remove Brigham Young as governor. They saw his errors. It wasn't just him having 50 wives and telling everybody else to have plural wives.

Adam god doctrine was false. A simple search of the scriptures will reveal that.

Blood atonement is pure evil. Antichrist. Anyone with reasonable thinking can figure that out.

Brigham Young and other apostles, or local church bishops/leaders following their fruits, taking other men's wives while they're on a mission, or bishops in St George trying to force a couple to break up their engagement, so the bishop can take that man's fiance as his wife, is severe corruption. Priest craft to the max!!! Any leader or father or anyone anywhere who has any kind of authority whatsoever, who abuses it, who uses it for their own personal gain, while hurting other people, especially their own!, it is stated in D&C scripture that they will have no authority real before God. You lose what you have.

No I'm not trying to hurt your belief. Or hurt your self identity. I'm trying to turn you from prophesied idolatry and cognitive dissonance. There was indeed an apostasy of Christianity. BUT, there was a greater, more shocking, GREATER APOSTACY, AFTER. This is the primary message in the Book Of Mormon! Nephi, Jacob, Mormon, Moroni and others tried to say without directly saying it! That the latter day church, would be polluted! I am filled with the spirit of God, at times, to the point that things in scripture hit me so hard with truth, that it cannot be denied. I AM ONLY POINTING OUT THE MESSAGE OF THE NUMBER ONE RECORD THAT LDS DO NOT YET UNDERSTAND. Self apostacy of the Holy Church of God in the last days, ALONE IS PROOF THAT JOSEPH SMITH DID NOT INVENT THE BOOK OF MORMON! Joseph would not have invented the failure of his own Church organization he would later be allowed and directed on, how to create.... before he even began.

No one can put all their trust in the arms of flesh, even if they are the 15 headed by a church followed by millions. Mostly inactive millions by the way. I'm trying to prepare you and help you see the truth, so you can actually become a part of the work the Lord is actually doing with repentant LDS people!

So whether you are a family or a friend or a church scholar here on my friend list, take another look. Let the spirit of God be your guide. Let the iron rod be your guide. Even if the others in large buildings are pointing their fingers and falsely accusing you. To push you off the path. Stay on the path. Study everything. Question everything. Don't worry about what it means if you find the truth. Because the truth is more important than your social standing before a church or family or friends.

And to be honest, you going through that might be exactly what you need to connect with your Lord. On a personal and serious level. On a new adopted familial level even.

THE LORD NEEDS LDS PEOPLE TO WAKE UP. THAT IS WHERE HE LAST SET HIS HAND. AND HE HAS ALREADY SET HIS HAND AGAIN AMONG THEM A SECOND TIME, TO PREPARE FOR THE COMING OF AN ACTUAL ZION THAT WILL REMAIN UNTIL THE SECOND COMING. THE LAST DAYS ARE HERE. THE LORD WILL USE WHOEVER HE CAN TO GET ALL THE PROPHECIES ABOUT ZION FULFILLED. Surely God will do his great work in the last days, with whatever people he can do that work with. Obviously it's going to be with a penitent and non prideful group of Christians.

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You can buy Denver Snuffer books on Amazon. Read them. The Lord personally guided Him to do so and publish the books despite what the LDS leadership would do to him. He has a blog on Denversnuffer.com

There is a new Covenant people in our day. There is a new group Covenant given to those people. And it involves the actual presence and work of the Lord doing it all. Not man. Think about it... if the Lord has a Covenant Group upon the earth, something rarely had in full, in all history... DO YOU THINK HE IS GOING TO LET THEM LEAD THEMSELVES ASTRAY? DO YOU THINK HE WILL NOT BE PERSONALLY INVOLVED WITH THE HEAD SERVANTS? Surely He said that IF any covenant people will listen and follow Him as He leads them, they will have His Divine Guidance and Protection? That He will be their God, and they be His people (family)??? How on earth can the LDS leadership, or any other organized religious leadership on this planet... pretend to be the Family of God, the Covenant Christians on earth... when the Lord is not actually involved???

Wake up. Pray for the truth. And dig in. And don't stop until you have it

Priest Craft by the Drunkards Of Ephraim

 When one sees error, rampant at that, and truth, it is all of our duty to wear out our lives to root it out. Wherever it lays. We all need to be among the voices of the meek and humble members in the church that are actually hearing the promptings of the spirit. While the drunkard leaders of Ephraim go further and further away from it.

Do we really have to wonder why Utah has a high incident of depression and suicide?

We are taught to never be dominant or manipulative or controlling as fathers in families. Yet the church is the number one example to every family in the church, of how not ro be, to control with manipulation, threats, unjust Dominion and controlling. Your own actions are imprinted into them by example.

I have spent many years trying to get away from partners with covert narcissistic manipulative behaviors. And it's sad to see the same unrighteous manipulation and dominion by leaders of the LDS church that I used to attend As a former TBM or super Mormon myself. Like in those relationships, when you get out of it all, and you experience the freedom from no longer being stuck under oppression and stress causing exhaustion and brain fog, you really begin to see. It becomes clear. In hindsight.

Elder Oaks calls for more excommunications (to the wheat among them):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_CqbDmoJ2I

President oaks, it saddens me that you are a third cousin to my grandfather Arvel Oaks. Honestly. You really need to teach local church leaders that they need to increase excommunications of honest good truth seeking members? No wonder a new purging has begun among the strengthening of the members committee employees and local leaders. Each of you know that the local responsibilities of excommunications lay solely on stake presidents. Alone. They don't need you controlling and manipulating, using your claimed authority to push them to do as you wish. Exactly how you deem or passively aggressively insist.

But I can't say it's one of the worst talks, nothing was worse than your talk to leaders here or your effort in the Boise rescue mission lecture of 2015 that included your teaching the Antichrist doctrine that seeking the face of the Lord is of the devil. THESE PEOPLE ARE THE WHEAT WAKING UP IN YOUR CHURCH! When scripture and Joseph Smith and Temple ritual all point to that being a part of the Doctrine of Christ! But hey, at least you did admit in the Boise talk, the truth that you are not witnesses of Christ, and just teaching about his mission. That you only have access to the Holy Ghost like all members do. But you're not being very christ-like (we are talking priest-craft) in your church position upon the meek and honest and humble members, especially from those in your own relief societies learning many truths for themselves from research in the Joseph Smith papers, such as the truth that Joseph never lived polygamy while The heads of the gentile Church still proclaim he did.

Matthew 15:14 KJV (King James Version)

Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

D&C:

When we (applies to leaders) undertake to cover our sins, or to gratify our pride, our vain ambition, or to exercise control or dominion or compulsion upon the souls of the children of men, in any degree of unrighteousness,” that, Joseph says, is when “the heavens withdraw themselves; the Spirit of the Lord is grieved; and when it is withdrawn, Amen to the priesthood or the authority of that man” (D&C 121:37)

The drunkards of Ephraim have continued so far as to lose any and all priesthood that they formally held (no more Aaronic since 2014), and are clearly losing intelligence and truth and light more and more every year because of it. While humble members of your own congregations, clearly see things that you do not. You put on display more than ever, your own errors in leadership. And you have no self awareness.

Isaiah 28:

The crown of pride, the drunkards of Ephraim, shall be trodden under feet: and the glorious beauty, which is on the head of the fat valley, shall be a fading flower, and as the hasty fruit before the summer; which when he that looketh upon it seeth, while it is yet in his hand he eateth it up. In that day shall the LORD of hosts be for a crown of glory, and for a diadem of beauty, unto the residue of his people, and for a spirit of judgment to him that sitteth in judgment, and for strength to them that turn the battle to the gate. But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment. For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.

This is a true revelation by Isaiah about the last days, our day. All tables among all organized religions are full of vomit. None are clean. The Book of Mormon predicted our own church apostasy in the last days. The Holy Church of God in the last days was indeed polluted. And still is.

-The meek and humble truthseekers under you, are the ones tredding down your prideful and drunken state. And that truth will go forth boldly and nobly, thanks to the free agency of man, and the ability of these last days to share truth easily one with another.

The blind have been leading the blind since 1844. They are those who we were warned against about putting our trust in the arms of flesh. It's why it's so talked about in the Book of Mormon that we read. We are the ones who actually read the book. They saw our day and they preached against The modern-day church that would share their record with the world! They have become the drunkards of Ephraim. Bringam young indeed led the Church astray in so many ways. Even to the point of the blood of innocence crying up from the ground because of the things he taught and did! And leadership under him followed his example.

Church leaders want to preach that God won't let a church president lead astray, but that is exactly what happened after Joseph Smith. For a long time. Even though that has happened in former dispensations or attempts at the dispensations of the fullness of the gospel in times past! And modern leaders contradict what was considered previous revelations And eternal doctrines on difficult church topics by former presidents and apostles.

We all have to value free agency. To value and permit others the freedom of speech and discussion in your homes or your wards or while sitting in chief seats over millions (mostly inactive by the way I should insert).

You are seeing a wave of TBMs seeing the truth. Seeing the narcissistic and manipulative ways you men lead your church. And you'll continue to see thousands of the best among you leave. Because of your behavior. Because of your failure to see and admit the truth. Like so many of the humble and meek in local wards are actually doing. You claim to hold the same promptings of the Holy Ghost that your members do, yet your members see and you do not. Do you know how much pride and arrogance it takes to become like that? Stop protecting a corrupt organization that has indeed fallen since the great succession crisis of 1844. Repent. Come out from under condemnation that has existed since 1832. Like so many of those in your church have already done! They hold to the spirit. They hold to the Rod. They listen to the true inspirations of Christ and you consider them polluted, in need of ecclesiastical punishment.

Open your eyes. Come out from the clear and present cognitive dissonance you labor in. And that you're causing other members to enter therein also.

The truth sets us free. The Lord sets us free, from unjust, corrupt, manipulative organized religions of today. And how free and happy myself and thousands of other previous active TBMs feel after the fact!

DENVER SNUFFER ARCHIVE

Denver Snuffer Archive:

https://www.restorationarchives.com/collections/people/denver-snuffer/#papers

Joseph Smith Never Lived Polygamy

 John 3:16

KJV

But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

Joseph III, Joseph’s and Emma’s oldest living son, conducted an interview with his mother near the end of her life in which she affirmed multiple times that her husband never practiced polygamy or anything like it and stated unequivocally, “I know that he had no other wife or wives than myself in any sense, either spiritual or otherwise.”

    -Emma Smith well after 1844. Emma was an Elect. Whom of which Brigham spoke much evil of.

Framing Joseph - Rob Fotheringham (watch all his videos):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIAvjOhpdwA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r57oPlOgY6w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L2sWVmypE8&t=5s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5heXE5xS5w

Joseph Smith Fought Polygamy - Price:

https://web.archive.org/web/20131214103840/http://restorationbookstore.org/articles/nopoligamy/jsfp-visionarticles/JSFP-Vision69.htm

Michelle Stone:

https://www.youtube.com/@132ProblemsToThePoint/videos

Karen Hyatt on Polygamy never lived by Joseph Smith:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLbLQR95zj8

Gwendolye Wyne:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4-wtj009gw

Hyrum Smith missing discussion 1844:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFyupvqxVXI

Lies and conspiracies in Nauvoo

If you don't understand why things were done, original intentions, in nauvoo, you won't understand why Joseph Smith was falsely labeled the original polygamist by Mormon apostles and the many false affidavits they had women write up after the death of Joseph. Joseph wanted to get rid of all polygamy. Not just John c Bennett's bad version of it. But top apostles in the church were already living it at the time. They knew Joseph was about to publicly declare all polygamy to be wrong. They were worried about their own plural families and their future plural wife taking. The church apostles who later took leadership of the church, even though Joseph Smith said Samuel Smith would be his successor, whom even died a month later from poisoning (was stated historically that brigham young had that ordered as well), knew what would happen if they pushed him to order demolition of the printing press instead of just the newspapers. They knew it. They pushed him to sign the city council order. They were apostles and city council members, and they were the ones who put the order together. And convinced him to sign it. Destroying the printing press was an illegal thing. He could have destroyed the newspapers legally. They knew what they were doing. They knew what the destruction of the printing press would lead to. Just as this article states in its summary.

Brigham Young and John Taylor and other polygamous apostles, not only wanted to keep their plural wives and have opportunity to take more, but Saw the example of William law creating the true Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day saints, then also saw their chance to take control and lead their own church. They could be the ultimate church leaders in the end and live their polygamy. King Noah style. And that is the corrupted Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day saints. The church was under condemnation since 1832 as the Lord stated. But in 1844 it was completely taken over by dishonest polygamist nauvoo apostolic leaders. And an actual, virtuous, real prophet was killed likely because of their role in it all.

What I consider facts:

1. Joseph and Hyrum still sit among the Heavenly Council.

2. Trying to uphold that Joseph Smith was secretly living polygamy, sneaking behind his wife's back and making public lies that he wasn't, it's not a good thing to perpetuate. And it is a bad show of example that many have continued since. That nonsense in D&C 132 about a first wife being destroyed if she doesn't allow her man to have other relationships... does that sound like the Lord to you??? Thanks to Brigham for the ungodly edits.

3. The seed of cain, probably because it was taught by cain, were the first ones to enter that type of MARITAL relationship.

4. Polygamy helped cause the downfall in Abraham's family. The patriarchical priesthood was restored and then lost again. In five generations. It might have been a top contributing factor. That and sons wanting to be the next Patriarchal head (ambition). Whether the right way in Patriarchal Family order, or temp church organization, the same errors and their reasons continue. Stop it.

5. Polygamy helped cause King David to do what he did. He committed adultery by stealing another man's wife for himself and accessory to murder to cause it to happen. There are 3 things that can remove C&E formerly granted. That's what he lost that day and grieved so much thereafter. King Solomon became excessive. He was living polygamy to unite kingdoms. A cover or truth I don't know.

6. The polygamy experience in the LDS Church after 1844 was a complete mess. It was lived in the church until about 1910. They said they stopped living it in 1904 but they actually continued doing it by crossing the border into mexico. Actual lying to the government and public. Brigham Young formerly took power and control in the church. Without vote. He corrupted a fallen people who once had a shot at being a Covenant group. He took Young brides. Was prideful in the fact that he had over 50 wives. As if that's some measure of priesthood blessing or goodness. His Apostle stole another man's wife and three kids, and murdered for it. Denver snuffer once mentioned that a Mormon Bishop in St george, was still using some of that bad fruit from before, for his own ungodly purposes. He was trying to convince an active member to give his fiance to the bishop. Him and the fiance couldn't do it. The man was taken in the night and castrated for it.

Look at the fruits. See the intention. Everyone does something for a reason.

Brigham Young even taught that every man has to have at least three wives to be exalted in the highest heavens. Him and John Taylor helped create the blood atonement nonsense. Look at the fruits of that one. Within the LDS Church (Santa Clara UT murders) and fundamentalist break offs. They both started secretly helping members end their existence, if they couldn't choose to do it. on their own. As if a person could really pay for serious sin by committing suicide. They only add murder to the list.

7. Look at the famine of hearing the word of the lord. Since 1844. Even Brigham said he wasn't a prophet. He said Joseph Smith was. Said he was just a good fox at gathering the hens. At least I believe that statement from him. Where are the additional sections of D&C to vote on as scripture in the church? They just stopped. And a dishonest addendum was added last, saying to discontinue polygamy but they continued doing it. Where's the additional records of John that were spoken of? Revelations from the top? Divine intervention? Experiences? Leaders going therein, and rightly correcting their manipulative ways and properly teaching others to go therein themselves?

It doesn't take long for a reasonable person to reason things out, after studying and praying long enough. And divine impression and answers helps immensely.

Facts I now know, but I did not know before, ideas which are still against the current institutions forceful ways of thinking (which is primarily based on the ideas of LDS authors ie scribes):

Plural marriage is not among the divine families. It is not an eternal practice. It is foreign to them. It was something reluctantly allowed for a few in the old testament. Or maybe even some after. Because it was their request. Or entered into because of custom. A custom originated by the seed of Cain.

There is one king and one queen. Merged together. The Exalted are where they are because they are merged forever. Necessary for exaltation. Yes a patriarch may choose to seal someone else into their own family, in order to be of priestly service to them, and help them along their path to Godliness. And Joseph was doing only that. At first he was sealing a female into his patriarchal family as a spouse. Later he learned he can just adopt men and women as sons or daughters, to tie them into his family. That avoided any false accusations from what he was doing before. He was not seeking for a plethora of wives to fulfill some sexual conquest. There where lies made up about him, that he was sneaking around his wife to live it. Because she didn't like it. Believe Emma over Brigham. Don't you realize she was an Elect? Brigham manipulated and abused that Elect Lady. She always stated until her death that her husband never lived polygamy. That she was his only actual wife. But hey, better not listen to wives/women. Abuse fame claimed authority anyway. Joseph and Hyrum were fighting that topic in the church. Trying to get it out of the church and Nauvoo. Other leaders were wanting to keep it there. And so it was until 1910ish. Still there today, not in practice but in teaching. Though I have heard of BYU professors trying to convince young students to secretly be a part of their expanded families. Even to the point of compelling and forcing other members to stop bringing up the facts about the idea. Facts that contradict their own way of thinking. Even under threats of expulsion. And if any of the leadership since Brigham young, had any form of inspiration or direction from the Lord, they would have cleaned this up in the church long ago. Instead of good members figuring it out before them. And then they being forced/pushed/threatened ie manipulated into shutting up.

Look at the fruits. Sometimes we are stubborn and we have to see it after the fact.

Our religious organization is the one who turned an actual prophet into an adulterer and liar, and good faithful members are digging in and finding those facts and then are wrongly manipulated and forced into stopping their proper conduct of fixing the error among us. I saw similar nonsense going on with those who think the book of Mormon took place in North America over Central. I've seen it take place for people simply writing books about the Second Comforter that members need to read. Or worse yet, regular members simply agreeing with those who do write the books.

Forceful threats of fear and punishment cannot be used to manipulate and compel people to do things your way.

Does all this look like a divinely lead institution to you?

We are taught to seek for true messengers. Preferably those from the other side of the veil. There are Messengers on this side of the veil also. True Messengers don't operate like this. I know how to Messengers are. And I've seen them come along. And they were not the heads of any church. Even the Bible teaches to seek the best gifts like prophesying and healing and casting out evil spirits. Mormons are taught how to pierce the veil. How to get impressions and answers and communication. And shows certain signs that can occur showing you're actually getting it. Signs follow those with faith. Stuff actually starts happening after the trial of your faith for some time. Performing a ritual that teaches you something, is not doing the real thing. Even performing that for other dead people, it's just teaching them how to go and do it themselves. They will have to do that in a mortality. Just like everyone else. We can't actually do that for them. All that stuff has been created in the minds of LDS leaders long after the lack of hearing the word of the lord existed. Joseph Smith was doing something else. That can be derived by those who actually research.

Brigham Young - A Type and Shadow of King Noah

 See the paper by Denver Snuffer titled Brigham Young's Telestial Kingdom.

https://denversnuffer.net/.../2012.04.18%20Brigham...

It definitely wasn't something celestial being built. Compare to the days of King Noah in the book of Mormon.

The Book of Mormon is an actual record of prophets who used to live in the American continent. North America.

Joseph Smith was an actual humble and virtuous man who was an actual prophet like those in Scripture.

But those two facts does not let us conclude that the way things are today in the church are as they should be. That was one of my first answers to prayer at the Idaho Falls Temple. It took many years for the Lord to show and explain to me why that was true. And the more I learned the more it broke my heart. I'm still learning things about what corruption lies in church history. I thought I learned it all but it's still coming.

AFFIDAVITS SAYING JOSEPH SMITH SAID BRIGHAM YOUNG WOULD LEAD THE CHURCH ASTRAY:

This is to certify that I, S. L. Crain, was personally acquainted with Joseph Smith from about 1840 to 1841, and that I heard him say to and of Brigham Young, whom I also knew, that if he (Brigham Young) was left to lead the church, the pride of his heart would lead them to hell. This was said at a conference of the church, in Nauvoo, where there was a large assemblage of the people, and probably in the spring of 1843—possibly 1842.

Witness my hand, S. L. Crain.

Done in the presence of Wm. Pickering.

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SAN BERNADINO, CALIFORNIA,

February 4th, 1884.

Joseph Thorn, a resident of San Bernardino, California, being duly sworn, deposes and says: I was personally acquainted with Brigham Young, late president of the Utah Mormon Church, and knew him when both he and I were living in Nauvoo, Illinois; and I heard Joseph Smith, Jr., at a public meeting in a grove east of the Temple in Nauvoo, when he had been reproving said Brigham Young for taking and using for his own private purposes church moneys without authority, says of him, “If Brigham Young ever leads this church he will lead it to hell.” This is said with great emphasis.

JOSEPH THORN.

Sworn and subscribed to before me at San Bernardino County, California, this fourth day of February, 1884.

E. H. Morse, Notary Public.

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To Whom it May Concern: —Know ye that I, David Dixon, now resident at Riverside, San Bernardino county, California, was personally present at a public meeting in Nauvoo, Illinois, before the building of the Temple; and there and then saw and heard the Prophet Joseph Smith, while preaching, raise his hand (pointing to Brigham Young who was in the stand with him) saying: “Talk about leading this church; here is Bro. Brigham, if he ever leads this church, he will lead it to hell.” There were more than a thousand people present at the time; several of whom, I, David Dickson, know are now living and heard him say it.

DAVID DICKSON

In witness whereof, I have hereunto set my hand, and affixed my official seal, at my office in the county of San Bernardino, California, on this 29th day of December, 1883.

W. W. Smith, Notary Public.

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CITY OF ALTON, ILL., March 6th, 1884.

Bro. Joseph Smith: —In the summer of 1843, one day when your father and William Clayton went into the country to transact some church business, after their return Bro. Clayton came to the office [Brother Whitehead was then the Seer’s private secretary. Ed.] about one o’clock p. m. Father Cutler and I were in the office, and he said, “Well, brethren, I have heard something to-day a little strange.” Bro. Cutler asked him if he was going to tell us what it was; he said, “Yes, I am; and I hope that you will make a note of it.” He said, “After we had finished our business, we started for home, and had traveled but a very short distance when Joseph stopped talking and was very much absorbed in thought. He never spoke till we were going down the Temple hill. He then uttered this language aloud: ‘If Brigham Young ever leads this people he will lead them to the devil.’ He never spoke another word. When we got to my house I got out of the buggy and Joseph drove on.

JAMES WHITEHEAD.

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SAN BERNARDINO, CAL., Dec. 31st, 1883

Mrs. Huntington says: “While living in Nauvoo, I lived three years in Joseph Smith’s family; was well acquainted with church affairs there; and several times heard the Prophet Joseph Smith say, ‘If Brigham Young leads this church he will lead it to hell.’ ”

Catherine Huntington

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SAN BERNARDINO, CAL., Dec. 31st, 1883

I lived in Nauvoo from the first of its settlement, and was well acquainted with Joseph Smith and family. I well remember the day Joseph prophesied, “If ever Brigham Young leads the church he will lead it to hell.” I believe Joseph was a true prophet of God.

Hannah Lytle

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Personally appeared before me, Charles W. Oden, a Notary Public in and for Harrison county, Iowa, this 8th day of March, 1884, John Conyers and Priscelia Conyers his wife, who on oath says: “On or about the year 1843, in Hancock county, Illinois, at a public meeting, Joseph Smith said in reference to Brigham Young leading the church, ‘If Brigham Young led the church, he would lead it to hell.’ ”

His

John X Conyers

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Her

Priscelia X Conyers

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F. M. Terry} Witness

W. C. Atwell } Witness

Chas. W. Oden,

Notary Public in and for Harrison County, Iowa